brave leadership

How to create the contact centre leaders of the future…..stop training them!

the return on investment is not worth it. 

For the most part, the learning doesn’t lead to better organisational performance, because people soon revert to their old ways of doing things - Harvard Business Review

The number one reason training fails is implementation. And the contact centre is particularly susceptible to this, and it happens for a few very valid reasons. 

  1. Being busy, this busyness distracts leaders from being present and intentional about building new patterns of behaviour.  

  2. Not having a structured and supported plan to embed the new skills and mindsets that supports forming new habits.  

  3. Leaders of leaders are not on the same journey and aren’t clear on what it is their learner needs to do, back on the job. 

It is fair to say that contact centre leaders are the busiest leaders in the whole organisation. They have 10 to 15 direct reports to build relationships with, manage complaints, create reporting, provide coaching, recruit new team members, the list goes on.  

They are often inexperienced with 1-2 years of leadership under their belt and so don't realise how important being intentional is, they are left to their own initiative, which is not a bad thing, but it means they will make common mistakes and they inevitably fall back into old patterns. 

Once you deal with the challenges of implementation, how do you ensure that leaders keep learning and improving?

Contact Centre Leadership Training programs often miss these critical pieces of the puzzle. 

  • Peer-to-peer learning – leadership is an emergent practice, and as leaders face old problems with new mindsets, they discover solutions they never knew existed. Sharing these experiences is one way to accelerate learning, build positive morale among leaders and build cross functional connections, but it’s often overlooked. 

  • There is no time for 1 to 1 support, everyone learns at different speeds but in classroom training everyone is expected to finish at the same place. Training does not build in 1 to 1 coaching to ensure everyone is supported and many trainers aren’t equipped to uncover the root cause of leadership challenges. 

  • Access to adaptive leaders – hearing directly from leaders about how they lead in the real world, the challenges they face and how they have overcome them.  

  • Access to site tours of contact centres that have implemented adaptive ways of working - the chance to observe practices first hand and talk to the people who are doing the work is one of the most valuable ways to learn about adaptive leadership. 

There are no contact centre training offerings in the market that offer all of this.  

An investment in building leadership capability should have one goal to build better leaders, who thrive on complexity, lead with trust and purpose and build high performing teams. 

This won’t happen in a training course. 

Classroom based training should be one piece of the puzzle and it should be complimented with a range of interventions, and it should do this in the following ways: 

> By building in skills and mindset practice well beyond the time in the classroom, the 90 days following training are critical to build new habits and practices. 

> By engaging the leaders of the leaders so they know the role they need to play, these are the mentors and role models of these emerging leaders and must be as engaged as the learners.

> By supporting ongoing reflection and sharing of experiences so that peer to peer learning becomes part of the culture.  

>Having a community of support and that opportunity to be connected to experienced leaders who can mentor them. 

> By measuring progress from multiple perspectives, seeking feedback from team members, peers, and leaders. 

> Review and develop goals, regularly and build in the flexibility for the leader to dial up or down the focus areas based on the demands of the role. This means they can keep momentum going even through the busiest of times.  

> Provide access to leaders and contact centres who are the best in our industry who role model adaptive leadership. 

Building leadership capability is an infinite game and to truly build better leaders takes real intent and an integrated approach. 

Contact us to find out how we can partner with you to build better leaders

Psychological safety in the contact centre

31 | Make work safe - mental health and psychological safety in the contact centre

“It’s ok, not to be ok”

In this latest episode we chat to Tom Ruijs and we unpack mental health, wellbeing and high-performance cultures which all have one thing in common, psychological safety.

Tom Ruijs is an Organisational Psychologist and Senior Consultant with AP Psychology.

This episode has so many nuggets of gold, so grab a pen and paper.

Nuggets include...

  • The simple act of 'noticing' as a leader and being intentional and purposeful in your support

  • Creating the space and safety for people to talk about mental illness

  • Considering job design in contact centres to improve mental health

  • Practical strategies on how you can identify and support yourself and your team

  • The role of psychological safety in creating a high-performance culture

Tom on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-ruijs-a67021181/?originalSubdomain=au

Check out the free resources available here : https://psychology-consulting.com/


Amy Edmondson on psychological safety –  her book The Fearless Organisation

Her Ted Talk videos https://www.ted.com/speakers/amy_edmondson

Here are some organisations that are here to help

Beyond Blue 1300 22 4636 https://www.beyondblue.org.au/home

Lifeline 13 11 14  https://www.lifeline.org.au/

About us:

This podcast is brought to you by The Agile Contact Centre.  Stories, tips and practices that will help you deliver outstanding experiences to customers as well as your people. We do this because our  mission is to reinvent the contact centre world.

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Are we Cogs or Linchpins

Are we Cogs or Linchpins

The very real dilemma facing many contact centres is the role they play in their organisation, this view is more often than not influenced by being branded as a cost centre. So what role should the contact centre play and how does it emerge to have an indispensable role in the organisation?

Podcast #2 Lauren Reid

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"This was one of the highlights of my career, I was having the most fun with this radical change...we created a fantastic team with an amazing culture and a great brand”  

Welcome to Podcast #2 featuring special guest Lauren Reid, formerly the Head of Direct Service at MLC Life Insurance now the Manager of Member Services at ESSSuper.

In this conversation we cover:

  • Harnessing the collective strengths of your people to improve CSAT and engagement through collaboration and shared accountability.

  • How different personal and leadership styles can flourish in an agile environment.

  • The importance of telling the story of your agile journey to the rest of your organisation to engage and influence, in particular, how agile contact centres demonstrate customer value to stakeholders to get things done.

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Show notes

-Structure of the teamthe environment at MLC at the time the work began (1:15)

-Giving the team a voice to improve the customer experience and how to set the environment up to support this (4:34)

-Lauren discusses her personal style and how the changes being made challenged her leadership style, confidence and what she learnt about being vulnerable (7:13)

-Learning that the agile principles can be applied in many different ways depending on the goals you want to achieve and trying to implement a solution from another contact centre isn’t necessarily going to be the right solution for you (10:19)

-Understanding that all personalities and skills have a place in an agile contact centre, from creative to very structured types (14:02)

-Servant leadership and the importance of direction and purpose and how this change in mindset changed the way they leaders supported their teams to give them a voice (15:55)

-How this fostered an environment of collaboration and teamwork which lead to peer to peer coaching to leverage the strengths among the team (18:17)

-This leads on to a discussion around shared KPI’s and we deep dive what the ‘System of Work’ is. Lauren talks about removing AHT as a KPI and what that meant for forecasting and budgets (21:00)

-Lauren discusses the pros and cons of CSAT vs. NPS as a metric and the shift to using CSAT as a shared KPI. How this improved the customer experience and lead to greater ownership of the customer which resulted in a huge improvement in CSAT and engagement (26:43)

-How the teams were empowered to coach and support each to improve CSAT and build a strong culture of teamwork (33:02)

-A detailed discussion about how the team told their agile story to the rest of organisation and promoted the new ways of working. How they used metrics everyone understood and how this was driving real business value. Giving the teams a role to run tours and present to other teams at on what they were doing and how this engaged other teams to support initiatives to improve the customer experience (36:27)

- Lauren wraps up by talking about what to do if you were thinking about embarking on a journey to reinvent her contact centre and the leadership mindset to adopt to support you in doing this (50:57)